Sunday, November 8, 2015

Honouring Our 44th Anniversary 1971-2015


Honouring  Our 44th Anniversary 1971-2015 -- 
A genealogy and publishing journey of Alex W  Fraser  and Rhoda Ross

In early October after burning the selected CDs, a total of 47 copies were mailed out of the combo MacDonalds of Loupe, Lundie and Fraser connections and Gravestones of Glengarry Vol. 15 the Master Index. This includes 2 copies of this work to the Legal Deposit, Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario This is a Special Limited edition of only 47 CDs.

Each of these CD's were individually checked. I check a number of files on each CD without any problems in accessing those same files

There was an extra bonus to 15 recipients. This bonus added 6 additional indices giving them a total a 115,193 name entries

As of Nov 18th, 2015,  12 recipients have acknowledged receipt of the 44th anniversary CD.   To those 12 my sincere thanks.

Also as of Nov 17th there have been no returns of the Combo CD as a result of wrong addresses

The following have a complete set of Gravestones of Glengarry Series hard copy, including Vol. 15 Master Index on CD
SDG County Library, Cornwall, Ontario
National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland
Mid continent Library, Independence, Missouri
Legal Deposit, Library & Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario.

Below is a copy of the introduction letter that went with each CD.  

Alex , at 6 ft 4 in, standing beside stack of published 
titles representing over 32,000 pages  of                          Gravestones of Glengarry series in 15 volumes by 
material on Glengarry County and area                                  Alex W Fraser and Rhoda Ross 1976-2015

                      Sep1971 - 2015 Sep


We are celebrating our 44th anniversary on this genealogy and publishing journey that started in 1971.  In spite –– of the all the uncertainty, up and downs along the way, much has been accomplished.

To honour this anniversary of 44 years, a random section of 44 in total, individual people as well as some groups, across 3 continents some who supported us on and off through the 44 year and some who did not, are being sent a complimentary copy on CD of the Master Index of Gravestones of Glengarry, 43,597 entries as well as a complimentary copy of the MacDonalds of Loupe. Lundie and Fraser Connections, see read me first how to use this file of 34,034 entries with Family Notes. 

This combination totals over 77,631 references to people in one way or another who are or have family connects to Glengarry County and area.  This collection if printed out would be in the range of about 4,000 pages. The Master Index of Gravestones of Glengarry when printed out will be a little over 900 pages.

Family Notes Folder contains over 3 gigs with numerous files on background family information, including more than 200 completed questionnaires in part on various area families done by members of the Glengarry Genealogical Society in the 1980’s. Many family charts to review. Also references to U E Loyalist families, [from William D Reid,  Loyalists in Ontario] many references to the Dictionary of Glengarry Biography by Royce MacGillivray

Yes, there will probably be some over lapping, nevertheless a big gang of connections to get acquainted with.  This does not mean that you will find everything you are looking for in your family connections. It does offer the possibility of some names you find that could lead you closer to what you are actually looking for in your family research. Then again there might be nothing useful to you in this collection other than this gift you are receiving  

With over 32,000 pages of material published on this journey, the equivalent of about 200 single titled books of 160 pages each. 

Enjoy the journey.  Use the information wisely and respectively.  We are giving back

This  enclosed CD information, index is all subject to further clarification and correction should new information come about to enhance this work or put it into a better perspective, or otherwise.

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser  Rhoda Ross
Courtney, BC Canada
Aug/Nov 2015

Wednesday, August 26, 2015

GLENGARRY HISTORY 'GHS' of upcoming events and Glengarry Archives

Just received the lastest newsletter from

GLENGARRY HISTORY  'GHS'  of upcoming events

September 3rd 2015 The Canadian Flag and the Glengarry Connection. Mackie Robertson
October 1st  2015 John McLennan, 1821-1893 and the Church in the Wildwood David Clifford
November 5th 2015 The Life and Times of Major the Very Rev. Ewen J. Macdonald MC.Allan J MacDonald
December 3rd 2015Glengarry and World War and the First War #4
Up the Line and Down the Line      Robin Flockton
January 7th, 2016 Family Reminiscences 1914-18  GHS Members
February 4th 2016 History of Maple Syrup    Gary Ivens
March 3rd 2016 John Rae and "Political Economy" in 1834.   David Anderson
April 7th 2016  J T. Schell: Alexandria Industrialist. Dan Lanken
May 5th 2016  Annual General Meeting
Members $5.00
Non-Members $10.00
Non-members and the general public are welcome to attend
Information: or

Glengarry Archives
After a decade of discussion, the Glengarry Historical Society decided to establish an Archives as its 50th anniversary project. Over the years many documents had been both donated to and collected by the Glengarry Historical Society and these had been stored at a number of locations throughout the County.
In January 2012, thanks to the generosity of Barry MacDonald, the bulk of the documents were moved from their various locations to the Priest's Mill in Alexandria. Almost immediately it became clear that we had insufficient space to do more than basic sorting. By May of 2012, the hunt was on for a larger accommodation. Thanks to David Anderson and Bernie MacCulloch, a meeting was arranged with the Ian MacLeod and Chris McDonell, the Mayors of South and North Glengarry in May. The objective of the meeting was for the Society to obtain a lease on the vacant Glengarry Land Registry Office in Alexandria. It was at this point that the two Mayors became interested in the potential for a Glengarry County Archives. Shortly after the May meeting the Society was able to enlist the help of a new GHS member, Allan J. MacDonald. Allan was formerly Deputy Archivist for Ontario.
In due course space was negotiated with the Upper Canada District School Board to house an Archives in the former French section of Glengarry District High School The partners in this development are the Townships of North Glengarry arid South Glengarry, Glengarry History and the Glengarry News. Allan J. MacDonald has been nominated County Archivist by both Townships. Though this is an honorary position, it nonetheless is an appointment of great importance. The County Archivist will be responsible for the management of records and archives stored under his care
The Board of Glengarry History voted to invest $20,000 in the Corporation that will govern the Glengarry County Archive.  All archival material, including the D. A_ Macdonald Collection, is on permanent loan to the Glengarry County Archives..
The D A Macdonald Collection
During the course of 2012-2013, Glengarry History collected all the papers of D. A. MacDonald, former MP for Glengarry and Lieutenant Governor of Ontario. The documents were retrieved by Dane Lanken in perfect condition after 150 years of storage in an attic in Alexandria. This collection is believed to be of national significance and has not yet been studied by historians.
The Archives, located at 212 Main St N, Alexandria, is open 10am-3pm, Wednesdays and Thursdays.

posted by
Alex W Fraser Courtenay, BC  8/15

Monday, January 12, 2015

Some Suggestions or Steps in doing a family tree project.

Some Suggestions or Steps in doing a family tree project.

What prompted this outline came about from the impression I got in reviewing posts from the Ontario Genealogy face book page. Here, it came across that a number of those individuals working to track down the individuals in their family tree did not seem to have much of an idea of all the steps required.  I could be wrong with this impression, nevertheless a review of these steps could be useful.

The following are suggestions, a guideline only which a person can follow or not, filling in the gaps either in brief or as detailed as the information gathered provides.

Consider Looking  at the journey this way.

Where I list ‘great grand parents’ that is simply an example and this term also  refers to your ancestors in general.

What exactly would you like to know about the family and where abouts of your great grand parents/ancestors? The reason why I mention this,  is that you can use these questions, suggestions, steps to produce your own biography so that when your descendants ask about one of their great grand parents/ancestors, namely you, they will have a better answer than you presently have of your great grand parents/ancestors.

With the following list of questions, suggestions to work with in gathering your family info, you can use this to write a biography of each person you are working to track down either in brief or detailed depending on the information gathered.

This is your starting point. It is best to start with yourself, working on your own biography.  Then work back from your children, brothers & sisters, parents, aunts & uncles, grandparents for both the husband & wife’s side of the family. Use these questions, suggestions as a guideline to fill in the gaps.

As you collect the information on each person, which could take some time to locate. Some answers will not exist or not be easily located. This happens, it is part of the process. In time something might and usually will show up to assist you in completing these gaps.

Add what ever other questions that come up on what you would like to know about the people you are working to track down in your family. In time you will get a road map of their journey that leads to where you are today.

Also consider finding out who your 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins are as they have a common ancestor with you.Thus finding out what they may know of the family. Talk to your aunts & uncles, cousins, as they may have information on the family which your parents are not aware of or may not desire to talk about.

What follows is a sample of questions, suggestions that will be useful in putting a biography together of this couple. That can also be used for each individual in your family tree journey.

1- what was the full name of the husband [ EX the great grandfather or ancestor]
2- what was the full name of the wife [ EX  the great grandmother or ancestor]
3- where was the husband born  [list town, farm, state or province, country]
4- where was the wife born  [list town, farm, state, province, country]
5- What is the full date of birth of the husband
6- What is the full date of birth of the wife
7- When was the husband baptised, full date —- month day  year
8- When was the wife baptised, full date —- month day  year
9- What church was the husband baptised, name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, country]
10- What church was the wife baptised, name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, province, country]
11- Is there a baptismal record of the husband available and can a copy be obtained for your files
12- Is there a baptismal record of the wife available and can a copy be obtained for your files
13- When did the husband die full date —- month day  year
14- When did the wife die full date  —- month day  year
15- Where did the husband die [list town, farm, state or province, country]
16- Where did the wife die [list town, farm, state or province, country]
17- Where is the husband buried, name of cemetery [list town, farm, state or province, country]
18- Where is the wife buried, name of cemetery [list town, farm, state or province, country]
19- When was the husband buried  full date —- month day  year
20- When was the wife buried  full date —- month day  year
21- Is there a gravestone marker for this couple in the cemetery
22- Is there a copy of the Church death record for the husband and is this copy accessible for your files
23- Is there a copy of the Church death record for the wife and is this copy accessible for your files
24- when did this couple get married, full date  —- month day  year
25- Where did this couple get married [list town, farm, state or province, country]
26- in what church or civil registrar did this couple get married  name of church, religious denomination, civil authority [list town, farm, state or province, country]
27- Is there a marriage record available for access and get a copy for your files
28- What are the full dates of births for all the children of this couple
29- Where were all the children of this couple born [list town, farm, state or province, country]
30- is there a baptismal record accessible for all those children to obtain a full copy for your files
31- Were these children of this couple/ancestor all baptised in the same church or were they baptised at all,  name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, country]
32-  What was the full name of the father & mother of the husband
33- What was the full name of the father and mother of the wife
34- what stories have you been told about your great grand parents or ancestors that you can record
35- Have you found an obituary or death notice when the husband died, if so in what paper, full name, date of issue and location [list town, farm, state or province, country]
36- Did this couple move across the country or come from overseas. If so what info have you been able to gleam and record on this movement?
37- Are there any photos in the family of this couple or ancestor that you can access and are they labelled with proper name of person
38- Is this couple or ancestor listed in any city or who’s who directory, if so record that info.
39-  What did this couple work as, What was their occupation; did they have a farm, be self employed, work in the local town or city or what
40- Always remember to record the full source of the information collected
41- Also remember that that maiden name of the wife should not be left out of any recording, be it a obit, death notice, marriage etc.

This is only a sample of some suggestions, there are no doubt additional suggestions you might have to add to this list.

Enjoy the journey as it will prove to be a very interesting history lesson over time. This journey will have its high points as well as its frustrations and mysteries. There will be obstacles and dead ends. So when that happens start looking at things with a different perspective, asking yourself where could the answer be that I am looking for.

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC

Where to look, some useful sources
Local archives, historical or genealogy
provincial archives
local church & cemetery records where the people lived
local papers where the people lived
local books where the people lived
Top 100 Genealogy Websites for 2014

The Ship’s list

Monday, November 3, 2014

Dalkeith Historical Society update

November Activities with the Dalkeith Historical Society

Greetings one and all
please feel free to circulate this to anyone you think might want to know what DHS is doing

Saturday November 8 11:00 A.M.
Remembrance day activity-indoor
Dalkeith Library-1835 Dalkeith Road
Guest speaker: Robin Flocton on WW1
"Sorry, Christmas Leave cancelled"
everyone invited

Sat. Nov. 15 10:30
Dalkeith Library
1835 Dalkeith Road
ww1 2015 commemoration planning committee meeting
DHS is planning a 4 day event in 2015
to commemorate ww1
the public is invited to join the committee

Thursday November 27
Christmas Tree Lighting ceremony
7-8 P.M. christmas cheer & camaraderie  at the library
8-$100 raffle draw then outside to light and sing
all welcome

November is Membership month for DHS
for more info
1.613.874.2514(Frances)  or 1.613.874.9994(Maggie)

Hello Everyone-*FYI-
*thank you for everything you do to make DHS the success it is .

*here is what is happening*let be know your thoughts/ideas/anything missing/ etc/

1.The *Kitchen Ceilidh *was a huge success-many many compliments on the decorations and the whole evening. Thank you for coming to  Scotiabank to say thanks
DHS treasurer Andre Charest was on hand to receive the cheque

2..The *Apples and Art Tour* had a very respectable turnout of some 60 people over the two days. Many of the visitors were new to the building and were impressed not only with the art but with the atmosphere. well done  Maggie & Wendy

3 DHS will have a table at the North Glengarry Gala honouring various members of the public..

4.DHS received a NG township grant in April 2014 to construct a*WW1 Heritage Garden*
Now that we have time(take a deep breath and say yes) we are going to work on this project
Anyone interested in helping construct a WW1 Heritage Garden on the Robertson-Clark grounds should come to a*meeting*
Friday Oct.4 at 10:00 A.M. rain or shine. You are invited to come look over the grounds ahead of time  and come on friday with specific ideas in mind

5. Please let me know ASAP---(those of you who are members only ) -if you can attend a general Dalkeith Historical Society Meeting Saturday October 18 at 10:30 A.M(tentative date). at the Dalkeith Library. Once I hear from you I will then circulate an agenda

6 DHS will receive  a Canadian Heritage Grant to Commemorate WW1. This is confirmed.  The Grant and the events are scheduled for 2015. If you are interested in being on this planning committee please come to a short meeting *Saturday October 18  in the Dalkeith Library at 12:15

7. DHS will be participating in *50 Plus Attitude Sunday October 19 10-5 at VCI in Vankleek Hill. If you would like to help at the DHS table please let me know. If you would like a free ticket to the event I have some. First come First serve

8. Maggie Dean is organizing an*Autumn Food and Craft Fair *to be held in the Robertson-Clark Building*Sat. Oct.25 and Sunday Oct. 26. contact Maggie for details

9.Reminder to one and all that November is Membership month. The membership is $20 per person. there is no family membership (however DHS encourages  the participation of spouses-they just cannot vote.)  one membership equals one vote. The membership fee covers the Dalkeith Historical Society Cultural and Educational Bursary that is presented annually(so far) at the Robbie Burns Brunch.
you will receive a tax receipt in the amount of your donation.(for membership)
10.Remembrance Day activity will be Saturday November 8 at the Dalkeith Public Library.*11:00A.M*.  Robin Flockton President of the Glengarry Historical Society will be our guest speaker. The title of his talk will be "sorry, Christmas Leave cancelled"(WW1)

11.DHS Christmas Lighting activity *is scheduled for *Thursday November 27 at 8:00 P.M*.-the raffle draw  for a $100 bill will take place that night. Tickets are .99 cents each

Thank You
please get back to me on any of the above
stay healthy

posted by Alex W Fraser, Courtenay, BC

Saturday, September 20, 2014

Glengarry County Archives


 Glengarry County Archives

The archives will officially open to the public on September 26th at 1:30pm with an official ceremony followed by tours of the facility and displays of historical records. Everyone is welcome. 

The Glengarry County Archives is the largest repository of historical records in Eastern Ontario and contains the foremost collection of history about Glengarry County in Canada. Incorporated as a municipal corporation in 2013, the archives is the official repository for the records of North and South Glengarry Township governments and is  mandated to preserve the  records of individuals, businesses and organizations  from the settlement period to the present. 

The archives will provide free access to the collection of Glengarry records with photocopying services also available. 
212 Main St N (GDS) Alexandria, Ontario K0C 1A0 
Phone: 613-525-1336 
County Archivist: Allan J. MacDonald 

 Hours of Operation: After September 26th, the archives will be open to the public every Wednesday and Thursday from 10:00am to 3:00pm. 

 WW1 Display Updates
The World War I and Williamstown exhibit continues to grow. Since its official opening on Aug. 26, we have received additional artteacts on loan as well as expressions of interest from several others. Special thanks to Gordon Ferguson, who just last week week brought in many items of historic signififcance that had belonged to his uncle, John Ferguson, who was killed in action. 
The exhibit runs until Remembrance Day and there is no admission charge. 

What are the museum's hours these days? Saturday and Sunday from 10 am to 4 pm, as well as Thursdays, from 2 pm to 4 pm for the popular "Tea and Cookies." We can also make special arrangements during the week for school tours, or if you have special guests, etc. And if you should happen to see Lisa or George III doing something outside, she will more than likely invite you in, regardless of the day of the week or the hour of the day. 

We have also tweaked our webpage and invite you to check it out at: 

Our approach of asking for items the museum needs has cut down expenses. In fact, Historical Society President, Robin Flockton was incredulous that such a professional exhibit as World War I and Williamstown could be mounted for so little cost. 

This week, readers, we are asking for plates. Little plates for tea; larger plates to serve the cookies on. Matching china not important! 

Hello Everyone,

Now that the heyday of summer is over, we are only sending out our newsletters periodically.  Sue Harrington has been mandated to read the dictionary and the thesaurus in between so that she can be our on-call wordsmith as needed.  Our other newsletter lady, Joyce Lewis, is far and away overseas and absolutely enjoying her time there, so I am not sure we are getting her back anytime soon.  Well, not exactly true.  She will return shortly, and, I am sure, regale us with fascinating stories during our Thursday Teas.

Speaking of warm beverages, I am planning on serving warm cider on chilly days to people who drop in to the Museum.  Or we could do Cider Saturdays ... I like it!  Cider Saturdays it is then, pending the acquisition of (free or very reduced price) cider that is!  So please get your apple connections texted, phoned or emailed and let us know what they can do for us!  Bonus points if you use an iPhone to find cider for us (ha ha: get it ... Apple product for an apple product...).

On that note, I am signing off.

Have a great week,

Lisa Ellis, M.A.
Nor'Westers and Loyalist Museum
19651 John St.
Williamstown, ON   K0C 2J0
 Glengarry History, Nor’Westers and Loyalist Museum 
19651 John Street Williamstown, ON K0C 2J0 
Phone: 613-347-3547 

posted by Alex W Fraser, 9/20/14
Courtenay, BC

Saturday, September 6, 2014

Louis C Woods 1835-1907, Prescott Ontario

Received this e mail recently, from Sue who is looking for a Louis C Woods.   Any comments or suggestions of helping Sue.   AWF

Hi, Alex—

Like you I have followed my genealogy since my school days! I have mom’s side fairly done going way back into Scotland, Wales, England, Switzerland, Germany. My dad’s side has been a little more difficult as he had been adopted but this was what sparked my interest in genealogy.

My dad’s birth mom died shortly after childbirth and he was raised by his Aunt and Uncle adopting him as an infant and those became his parents. He was always curious about his birth mom’s side of the family and we would often talk of it. 
Through the years we were able to locate his mom’s parents, and even to his great grandparents. His great grandma’s had side could go way back into England. But we were stuck on his great grandpa Louis C. Woods b.about 1834. This is the relative my dad was told by his family doctor about. Louis died in the area in 1907, my dad’s doctor was old and very well could have known Louis.

So family stories are not always, most often are not likely to be accurate which is why I am trying so hard to find his great grandfather’s parents. I can find on 2 marriage certificates their names which are very similar on both of the marriage certificate so I would think these are accurate. 

Augustus Woods and Eliza or Elizabeth Rose Woods (sometimes the “s” was left off), his latest marriage certificate indicates he was born in Prescott Canada West. The census dates range from 1832 to 1841. 

He spoke French, did not read or write. He came to the United States in 1862, married here in Mosinee, Wisconsin in 1867 to his first wife. The census indicates his native tongue by his daughter and first born son was French, but his other 2 kids said it was English. 

The story was that my great great great grandpa had been part French Canadian part Native American Indian. That he was a voyageur, but in the census records in Wisconsin, and for a few years in Kansas, he was a farmer, or a laborer. The town of Mosinee, Marathon County, WI and the Wood County he lived in was along the Wisconsin River. There were trading stations in the area. But, I can not find information to prove this or disprove this.

So, that is my story or most of it.

I am having a hard time going through what is available from Ontario/Canada records as so much of this is written in books by people such as yourself. I cannot afford to buy every book just to see if I have an ancestor listed. Most books probably wouldn’t list them. 

As you have written so much about this early county which Prescott had been formed from I am wondering if you could spare some advise. If I cannot afford to buy all the books, I cannot get up to Canada for the time it would take to research all the sources, would it be best to give up and leave it as it is unknown. I am not sure how much it would cost to hire a professional genealogist for something like this either. 

I am hoping to here back from you with some guidance.  I would most certainly appreciate any input. 

My USA Scottish Ancestors are from the Peter (b1744) and James Farquarhson(b 1770) of Knockando, Moray, Scotland whose son John(1805) and wife Elspet came to the USA moving to north/central Illinois, their kids changing the last name to Ferguson.

I hope you can guide or help me.

Sue  <susie921 @>

Contact Sue directly  if you can assist in her request. Thank you.

NB:  my questions is is this a reference to the town of Prescott, Ontario on the St Lawrence River or Prescott County just south of the Ottawa River.. It is easy to mix up these two references to Prescott.

Also, it is hard to determine with the information stated what books would be helpful in solving this request without  further specific details. AWF

An update from Sue 9/6/14


Thanks so much for the quick response.

Alex, this would be too easy if I knew which one of the 2 Prescott location he was from. Or, which religion he was. He had 2 civil marriages no church marriage. His service sounds as if it was at a school hall and the pastors are listed but I have not been able to figure out which religion they were affiliated with, perhaps Methodist is the closest I can discern. I am not sure if he had any religious affiliation. I suspected the French name to be either Bois or DuBois, Brisbois was another thought as they were in Wisconsin. There were 2 obituaries just indicating he came from Canada as a young man. And, both listed a different pastor attending his service. The cemetery he was buried at is not affiliated with any church, they actually listed his son as being buried which really is Louis C Woods. 

There was a Louis Wood dit Bois in a early area census who was from Canada. There is a Native American Treaty signed listing a Louis Wood son of this Louis Wood and wife Siaska a HoChunk(formerly Winnebago) Indian that would have been born in 1834—same time frame of my Louis Wood unfortunately, I cannot get birth certificates to prove these are the same. And, my Louis Wood came reportedly came to the USA or Wisconsin in 1862—-interesting there was a huge Dakota Sioux Indian incident in Minnesota in 1862 which dispersed the Indian’s even further with some of the HoChunk just on their own returning home to Wisconisn. But then there is the parents he listed as Augustus and Eliza or Elizabeth Wood certainly not the names related to the 1/2 Native Indian yet following the story told my dad. 

I have been searching and searching. Unless I make a stretch of the early names say as Louis Auguste Wood dit Bois, called Auguste because of son Louis and Saska is the native american name perhaps she was Elizabeth or Eliza for her Christian name if this existed. 
But there is no documentation to prove this is the case, my Louis Wood was listed as white on the census, death and marriage records which could be if he choice to follow a white lifestyle. His death certificate mom was listed as Sarah but he had a daughter Sarah. 

I will probably have to check both Leeds and Grenville along with Prescott to see if I can find his family line. He was alone in the US no other Wood family, well I shouldn’t say that. I have met 2 other people also researching him who absolutely do not agree with my Native Louis Wood idea, vehemently so. 

One related researcher is 1/2 a relation from his second wife Louis’s second wife, his great great grandfather was raised by his wife’s family. He has searched as long as I but not able to discover which Prescott or Louis’s parents. 
The other related researcher lists a Augustus Wood married to Mary Catherine Campeau who arrived in the area about 10 years later, into the same county and town. At first I thought they were brothers perhaps. This Augustus had a son who married one of Louis Wood(s) daughters. This would mean they were cousins which was possible, I guess. And, Augustus Wood’s (married to Mary Catherine) father was also named Augustus Wood but was to have been married possible to a Anne. Mary Catherine Campeau’s parents were Louis Compeau and Margaret Frey and this older couple also had another son, brother to Mary Catherine Campeau, both listed as born in 1860 in Perth. As Mary Catherine’s father—but I see no sources to provide proof.
I hope this wasn’t too confusing, 

Any way you can guide or be of assistance?


Tuesday, August 26, 2014

Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people

Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people

Received this query that was posted on Ancestry to review and comment on.

As shown below the query is from a KenMac48 and concerns the family of an Angus MacDonald and his wife Janet MacDonald.

My, Alex W Fraser,  comments, observations, conclusions are listed below and are subject to further clarification and correction.

Remember that these Comments, observations & conclusions may or may not agree with your perspective on the family names & information listed below.

post 1;
McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry
pastedGraphic.png kenmac48  (View posts)
Posted: 15 Aug 2014 10:55AM
Classification: Query
Surnames: McDonald, MacDonald, Graham
Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.

I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents. In order for them to be, they need to have a son Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. On November 28, 1826 he married Jennet or Janet MacDonald at St. Raphael's, Ontario. She was born in about 1787, Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland. She died 28 August 1858 in Lochiel, Ontario.

Any help will be much appreciated !
Post 2;
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pastedGraphic.png talmacdonald143  (View posts)
Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:06PM
Classification: Query
Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776

Do you mean 1876 ?

Post 3;
pastedGraphic_1.pngRe: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry
pastedGraphic.png talmacdonald143  (View posts)
Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:20PM
Classification: Query
Forget about the first message I think I now see what you mean. You say that Roderick's son was Angus but I think you mean he was the son of Angus.

The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.

Post 4 
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pastedGraphic.png kenmac48  (View posts)
Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:27PM
Classification: Query
I don't think so...I have 1776 recorded as his birth year and 18 Oct 1853 as date of death.. Do you believe this is not possible ? 

My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.

I'm truly a novice genealogist therefore it's possible I am wrong.


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pastedGraphic.png kenmac48  (View posts)
Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:42PM
Classification: Query
Oops sorry Tal...I sent you a reply before reading your above message.

I also have Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth. 

My records show that Angus and Elizabeth were born and died in Scotland, exactly where in Scotland unknown. In addition to Roderick they had sons John and Alexander. 

However my predicament is knowing if Roderick MacDonald and Isabel or Elizabeth Graham are in fact my 4th GG.

Thank you so much for your efforts to help me. It is most apprecated.

My, Alex W Fraser, comments, observations   from post 1
“Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.

I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents.”

AWF Observation
Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham Lanc 8C N26 did have a son named Angus who married a  Janet MacDonald in 1826, namely
from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1826 marriages
November 28th 1826, after 3 publications of banns made in this parochial church, were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest, Angus MacDonald, who has attained the age of majority, son of Roderick MacDonald and of Elisabeth Graham on the one side and Jennet MacDonald being minor daughter of the deceased Angus MacDonald and of Margaret MacDonell on the other side. Alexander MacDougald, Hugh MacDonald and several others were present at the celebration of this marriage. 
Angus MacDonell ptr 

Here Angus’s mother is listed as Elizabeth, rather than Isabel, the first glitch in this journey.

Likewise from Post 1, “Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. “ This Angus is not the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham as shown in his death record,  from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1853 deaths Alexandria, Ontario
D15 Angus McDonald
On the 18th day of October 1853, I the undersigned interred in the cemetery at Alexandria, Angus McDonald son of John McDonald and Christy McDonald of the shire of Inverness aged 77 years. Witnesses Allen Williams, Donald McDonald and several others.
John R Meade

This Angus MacDonald married a Janet MacDonald and they lived in Lochiel 1C N3 and this Janet died in 1858    from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1858 deaths 
D5 Janet McDonald 3 - 1st Lochiel
On the 28th August 1858, The body of Janet McDonald, wife of the late Angus McDonald [tailor] 3-1st Lochiel was interred at Alexandria. Present John Chisholm & Alex’r Bathurst.

AWF observations
Now based on info in Post 3  
“The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.”
This is correct, namely
from St Andrews Presbyterian/United Church BMD WMST 1792 Marriages

from St Raphaels RC BMD 1848 Marriages
M14 Roderick M’Donald & Isabel Graham
At St Raphaels on the 24th day of August 1848, Roderick M’Donald of this parish, Lanc 8C N26, major son of Angus McDonald & of Elisabeth McDonell on the one part; & Isabel Graham also of this parish Lanc 8C N26, daughter of Thomas Graham & of Margaret Graham on the other part; after 3 proclamations of bans at St Regis by the rev’d Roderick McDonell about 56 years ago before they were married by Mr Bethune, Williamstown, no impediment being known were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest in the presence of the undersigned Mary McDonald & Catherine McDonald.
[signed] Mary Macdonald
             Catherine McDonald
John Macdonald priest & curate of St Raphaels.

AWF observations 
Now based on the info in Post 4  “My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.

”This Angus & Janet had a son John who married an Anne Bathurst in 1840
From St Finnan’s RC BMD 1840  
The same day (3rd Nov. 1840), was married by me the undersigned priest, after three publications in this Church without any opposition having been found to their marriage, John M'Donald son of Angus McDonald and Jennet McDonald in the 1st con. of Lochiel: to Miss Ann Bathurst, daughter of William Bathurst and of Margaret McIntosh in the same con. of Lochiel. Were present Alexander Bathurst, Angus M'Dougald, John M'Donald and several others. 
J. M'Donald, P.P. 

12/09 awf
from St Rapahels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms
B88 Anna Bathurst
The 9th day of August 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St Raphaels baptised Anna born the 14th of July of the lawful marriage of William Bathurst and of Pagy MacIntosh. Sponsors Angus MacDonell and Catherina MacDonell.
J. MacDonald    p

The above indicated that John was born in 1806. Since there is no reference to any baptisms in St Raphael’s BMD of children of any Angus Mac/McDonald/ell & Janet/Jane/Geny/Jeannette Mac/McDonell/ald before 1827,. The reference here, 1827 is to an Angus & Janet in 5th Lochiel with dau Flora. This Angus & Janet may or may not be a 3rd set. [ I could have missed finding an earlier reference] then it is assumed at present that the John who married Anne Bathurst was born in Scotland in 1806. Likewise John parents  Angus & Janet were also born & married in Scotland ca 1800-1805. 

Thus, if this John who was born in 1806, died in 1875, the son of Angus 1776-1853, of Loch 1C N3, then the Angus ca 1795-1865 in Wisconsin the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham of  Lancaster 8C  who married a Janet MacDonald in 1826 could not be the father of the John born in 1806.

from Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in Part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser
APR 11 1865 Angus MD, in Wisconsin, son of Rod from Lanc 8C N26, of Angus of Hugh.

This a very good example of how easy it is to get the right names and the wrong people at the same time.  These Couples of  “Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald” regardless of how the last name is spelt,  are two different families.  

One lived in Charlottenburgh and or Lancaster, 8th concession, the other in Lochiel 1st concession.    There is a reference to an Angus & Janet MacDonald living in Charlottenburgh township 8th Concession who had a son Angus born in 1836. 

How many Angus & Janet MacDonald are we actually dealing with? Did one or more of these Angus & Janet’s move around as labourers? Are we mixing up 2 or 3 sets of them?

One of the fathers of Angus 1776-1853 was John ca 1742-ca 1800; & the other Angus  ca 1795-1865 was the son of  Roderick  ca 1764-1855. 

One of the Angus’ was born about 20 years before the other. 

These comments do leave room for more research to get done, as well as getting any missing gaps of family information for these sets of Angus & Janet MacDonald can be filled in correctly, to see whether or not my conclusions still stand up to and with that found new family information.

Hoping this will be of use.

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
Aug 25/14   jars924 @